Questions from Resident
As a concerned citizen of NWV I have questions around the qualifications of the current CAO, as seen below in a post from the town of NWV in May of 2024 it is stated that she is a project manager. According to the Gardner Centre "Fundamentals of Project Management" is a 2 day course and is only one small part of becoming a "Project Manager" with many more requirements to get your Project Management Professional (PMP) designation and be considered a Project Manager.
• Are these the qualifications that were used to promote from the interim CAO position to the full time CAO position?
• Is this individual the one we want representing our town as we are going forward with a multi million dollar water treatment facility?
Thanks,
A very concerned citizen of NWV
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That definitely raises some questions! Why exaggerate her qualifications in project management (a 2 day course in this certainly doesn’t seem sufficient!) and why out right lie about a course she was completing through MUN? A course that doesn’t even exist!! If they felt she was qualified from just work experience or whatnot, then just SAY that! Don’t lie
ReplyDeleteabout her actual qualifications.
I agree why fluff things up to make her look more qualified than she is? Thanks for putting this forward.
ReplyDeleteThese are the kind of questions the public in this town need to be asking, I hear many people while I am out and about asking what is going on inside that town hall? Why is there such a turnover of people?
ReplyDeleteHow are so many people missing the point of this post? Perhaps it could of been done in a more tackful way... But if this is true. Which it seems to be with a response directly from MUN and no response from the town stating otherwise...
ReplyDeleteThe CAO lied about her training and her qualifications. I don't care what she has or she doesn't... But lieing about it that's the issue here.
I agree this is crazy….
DeleteIsn’t that fraud?
Fraud is a crime that involves deceiving someone to get money or property. It can also refer to someone who is not what they appear to be.
Yes, lying on a resume can be considered fraud and has serious consequences. It's a form of deceit that can lead to legal repercussions, job termination, and reputational damage. If the false information is directly related to the job requirements, it's more likely to be seen as grounds for dismissal, and the company may even seek legal action.
DeleteHere's a more detailed explanation:
Fraud:
Lying on a resume is considered a form of fraud because it involves intentionally misrepresenting information to gain an advantage.
Legal Consequences:
Depending on the severity and nature of the lie, legal action may be taken, including termination of employment, fines, and even criminal charges.
Breach of Contract:
A job offer is often based on the information provided in a resume. If the resume contains false information, it can be seen as a breach of contract.
Reputational Damage:
Being caught lying on a resume can severely damage your reputation, making it difficult to find future employment.
Background Checks:
Employers often conduct background checks to verify the information on resumes, which can easily uncover lies.
Common Lies:
People often lie about their education, experience, skills, responsibilities, and even salary expectations
The question at the bottom is right was she hired because she was doing this mun thing and if she was then that an obvious lie to me. If they are so worked up about it then just prove this is wrong and move on? It’s easy, making comments all over Facebook just prove to us she is or was registered for this course and move one
ReplyDeleteShe could not have been enrolled in the course because it never existed.
DeleteAn easy clarification could take care of this if citizens are entitled to the information
ReplyDeleteThis is no way affiliated with Doors locked community concerns. This is a direct attack and bullying at its finest. This group is complete BS and you small minded people should be ashamed of yourselves.
ReplyDeleteHow can you say this is not affiliated with community concerns? This is the person who as specified above will be representing the town in a multi million dollar water treatment project.
DeleteI guess this is the world we live in now, calling someone out for a blatant lie is considered bullying? I think not, in the adult world where this individual works it is called accountability.
DeleteOn top of not having proper credentials for the job, the CAO in question loves to use tactics such as threatening remarks and belittling comments to get citizens to shut up and not voice their concerns. Remarks like… “if you say this”, “don’t do that”, etc … “the town will have your personal water supply cut.” Is this really what we want as the person in charge of our towns decision making and financials? Time for citizens of this town to look into things further… before every cent of our tax dollars are spent on things like another dog park rather than things that matter most, as already mentioned, in posts on NWV concerned citizens group. And don’t worry, CAO, most people are catching on to your inappropriate behaviours as a supposedly professional NWV employee with “proper” credentials. Perhaps the Town of NWV should do some research prior to hiring their employees from now on. My thought of the day… from a young with a family who HIGHLY regret their decision of moving back to their hometown to raise their family.
ReplyDeleteOh… and if any of the council members and/or family members are reading this and are butthurt…. Perhaps sit and think of ways to discuss how to appropriately address concerns and questions/comments raised by citizens in this town rather than post on Facebook defending the CAOs “integrity”. Have a good day.
Very Insightful!
DeleteSeems to me this is how people like Trump get elected. Suppression of legitimate questions for fear of bullying.
They are on the blog still claiming fraud and still blowing steam. Bryttyne disclosed that she would not be continuing her schooling after her term of prerequisites, well before the interview for her job. She also did not include the schooling in her resume when applying for her job. She has done a bunch more training and certification pertaining to her job since being hired. I should not have to post this, defending my wife's integrity. My wife has more integrity than most.
ReplyDeleteSandy Stokes
Integrity: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles. It can also refer to the state of being whole or complete.
DeleteYour wife’s “integrity” does not give her the authority to speak to people, citizens, tax-paying persons, in a belittling manner. To me, this is an abuse of authority. Perhaps you should educate yourself, and your wife, on the true definition of “integrity.” Surely, having a strong sense of integrity does not align with talking down to people and using threatening remarks and intimidation tactics to get her own way.
A Prerequisite is a course(s) taken to qualify for acceptance into a program.
DeleteMSc in Leadership for sustainable rural development…..
I just did a search on MUN website ….. no luck finding this.
The simple fact of the matter is that she undertook academic dishonesty. This would be met with immediate dismissal in any legitimate workplace. It would also lead to questions when applying to reputable institutions in the future as many schools ask about past indiscretions in their applications. I find it alarming that there are people on this blog defending this action. It simply shows how uninformed they are with academic procedure and the importance of integrity. If the CAO were indeed enrolled in a Masters program she would certainly have known about the importance of academic dishonesty and how important it is in that sphere. A review of this hiring should certainly be undertaken.
DeleteI think a review should be demanded. She should be placed on leave until the investigation is complete. If she has nothing to hide, she should be requesting it herself.
DeleteAs a concerned resident I rather post here because I have real concerns and posting to fb when I’m out around I don’t want to be looked at like I’m the devil for having concerns. Anyway, I seen the CAO’s husband post on the groups fb saying she was doing prerequisites but the fb post identified above stated she is completing the course, if you are doing prerequisites you are not completing the course, you are working towards it and how can you be working on a program that doesn’t exist, am I missing something here, correct this if it’s wrong! Something doesn’t quite add up here. I don’t know about her qualifications, I’m more concerned about the lie she told, if she can tell a lie about something so insignificant, they what else is he lying about? And why aren’t council questioning this? It really boggles my mind!
ReplyDeleteIf you go through the website you can see the job posting for CAO. Posted in October 2024. No where in the job as does it asks for specific education requirements!
ReplyDeleteThis is complete BS and you know it! In my opinion there is nothing the town has done wrong. If there was I'm thinking Municipal Affairs would be all over this!
You guys are unable to find legitimate issues so you are personally attacking the CAO.
There are members of this group who aren't there for the right reasons - to constructively work together and I've heard there have been members who have left over the last couple of days because they can see through the lies and narcissistic behavior!
Who wrote the job posting? Just wondering
DeleteIn response to the Dover comment, are you discrediting them as a community? Not long ago, the Mayor of Dover received an international award. It seems our mayor is not even willing to investigate the allegations of fraud against the CAO. This is very concerning. That person was employed by a council of elected officials. The onus is this council to seek and obtain the necessary documents to support the education she is claiming. MUN transcripts are not hard to obtain!
DeleteIf the council is unwilling to investigate this very serious issue, then they should be declared in non confidence.
The job posting, posted by the person who was hired, which may not have required any education specifically, was definitely written with the specific person in mind. This is very clear.
Irrelevant of the job posting, this current CAO introduced herself to the public with certain credentials. It is dire that the council provide these credentials and settle his issue once & for all. If the credentials are inflated or outright lies, that needs to be exposed as well.
No bullying intended simply requesting that our council and CAO be accountable for information shared with the public.
DeleteAccountability refers to the acceptance of responsibility for honest and ethical conduct toward others. A company's accountability extends to its shareholders, employees, and the wider community in which it operates. Accountability also implies a willingness to be judged on performance.
Just come clean with the information saying she was enrolled in the program, prove this groups wrong and move on, it’s that easy! It’s not rocket science! It doesn’t have to be so much of all this, this is crazy! Prove the point and move on, stop the talking in circles.
ReplyDeleteYou’re being silly. No one has to prove anything to anyone. This is the equivalent of Donald Trump asking for Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Can you imagine if public officials had to do what you’re asking every time a member of the public questions them on something. They’d get less work done than they already do. Just absolute silliness.
DeleteReally? Being silly you say? I wonder how you would feel about a hospital just accepting a surgeon on their word that they had adequate credentials.
DeleteThe silly part is how anyone with half a brain could even argue, that this bogus information provided by the CAO, to inflate her credentials is not an issue. If she has no issues sharing this lie with the world what lies is she hiding when no one is looking?
Obviously, honesty is not a value that is recognized or respected by our council. This blog is full of examples of questionable information from the town hall.
Yes silly and the surgeon example is a false equivalence.
DeleteI am not a member of this group but looking at this goes beyond a simple lapse in judgment. When a CAO lies about being enrolled in a program that’s an issue. It's not just unethical—it’s deceptive and potentially fraudulent. A CAO should set the standard, not break it. If we let this slide, we’re basically saying integrity doesn’t matter in public service. That’s not acceptable.
DeleteLet what slide? Where’s the evidence that the CAO is overstating their credentials?
DeleteI didn’t say the CAO lied about your credentials, I am saying she lied about whats on the above picture, the program does not exist, the letter outlines that, how can she be completing a MSc in leadership for sustainable rural development and if such course does not exist….and it would not be a MSc, it would be a MA, so if she is going to lie, get is right!
DeleteIt took me all of 4 seconds to find that program on MUNs website. https://mun.ca/grenfellcampus/programs--schools/certificate-programs/sustainable-rural-communities/
DeleteThat is certificate in sustainable rural communities, a certificate is not a masters in science which is what the MSc stand for and again that is not what she stated in her bio posted on the towns Facebook for residents to read and believe.
DeleteThe letter above is from MUN’s graduate studies program stating that program has never been offered. I don’t know how it can be disputed.
DeleteI myself am a graduate from a trades program thus giving me a certificate in my completed area of study. It would be a lie for me to be saying I have a masters.The CAO states she is competing her MSc which would make it a masters degree, the email clearly states there is no masters in leadership for sustainable rural development. Try to spin it however you want a lie is a lie.
DeleteWhere and when did the CAO lie. I know what is written in the posted picture. The group is making a lot of assumptions and metal gymnastics to make their point valid. First, who wrote the newsletter, was the Msc put there by accident by the writer or was it done with deceitful intentions? By reading the comments we’ll assume the group has made the judgement that CAO intentionally lied and wrote the newsletter.
Delete“Fact check” before posting to the public…
DeleteOf course it needs to be fact checked. Not having a proper quality assurance system vs purposely lying are two very different items. Of course everyone is assuming the latter is what transpired because it’s more salacious.
DeleteOk so tell the public what happened here? How is not a lie? Explain your view on the post instead making it a target of the group…explain it to the residents of NWV.
DeleteI don’t disagree there needs to be a retraction on this newsletter and explained at the next town meeting. You are making it sound like this retraction affects the day to day operations of the town and is a life or death situation. Back to the original premise of the reply, you’re being silly.
DeleteEven if it was a typo or mistaken entry I am sure the CAO would have at some point read it for herself and had lots of opportunity to edit the post.
DeleteInteresting fact: The post was edited once to correct the fact that she was initially introducing herself as CAO instead of interim CAO. Why was the error not corrected then if it was a typo? You think having to edit it once you’d really read it carefully before the second post to avoid that happening again.
Also, it isn’t just the MSc in question here; it states MSc in Leadership…. That entire phrase is a lie not just the 3 letters.
No where does it state certification or certificate.
Try and twist this anyway you want ….. fact is a lie is a lie
Now the issue lies in your cognitive bias. You have your opinion made, story is already made and anything presented that doesn’t match your make-believe perception is another lie. Cognitive bias is very hard to battle, good luck.
DeleteI don’t think it’s silly for a minute, and I will state I am not a member of this group. If you worked in any other organization and this information was shared to the public under the logo of that organization, and the public identified this “misprint” there would be ramifications to that employee for providing this information to the public under that organization.
DeletePrivate employees make mistakes all the time and this would not be the first, nor last, a mistake has been made. And no, most employees are not fired for making mistakes, unless they are systematic and continuous. Again, with every comment more and more cognitive bias is showing. Try and reflect on facts and not opinions when making replies.
DeleteNo one said she should be fired. You will believe what you want and so will I. Like the person above said, it was edited once and reposted and that statement remained. I’m not going to back and forth with you because where is sit, a lie is a lie and the proof is above. Have a good day!
DeleteYes, of course it’s a lie with your cognitive bias. Go back through this thread and see the difference in how I have conducted myself vs you and others. My opinion has changed and reflects information being presented and it’s fluid. Yours, set in stone. Try and be less judgmental in your life, stop always assuming what you have made up in your mind is factually. And most of all stop assuming the worse in people, you’ll live a longer and happier life when you do these simple things.
DeleteAn excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie; for an excuse is a lie guarded. Author Alexander Pope.
DeleteI think the CAO is trying to find any excuse at all to cover up her lies. A misprint…come on!
DeleteWhat happened to honesty & integrity your husband was describing. This is just turning a few lies into a large web. It’s time to stop the bull, grow a conscience, and own up to it, like anyone with a shred of integrity would do. You’ve been caught. PERIOD! My question is how much more deception is going on that isn’t as visible. Time for a forensic audit maybe?? Step up to the plate councillors and do your job that you’ve been elected to do.
I think since this post has been made there has been ample opportunity to address this issue properly had it been a mistake and move forward.
DeleteInstead, it was addressed as an attack initially, when that did not work a new spin on what was being said was tried and now we are saying cognitive bias, really?
Cognitive bias can be argued both ways here unfortunately. That is where fact versus opinion comes into play. Not to mention other unconscious bias.
We are also focusing so much on the MSc part we have totally overlooked the inflation of the project management training completed that is also mentioned in the above post.
There are also other questionable facts shared by this person during the March 18 meeting that have not been properly addressed as well. All simple mistakes? Maybe, but at what point does anyone take action to hold this person accountable?
Seems to me there is more focus on proving this group to be silly, bullying or just nasty. Again you may want to refresh your understanding of cognitive bias and perhaps look up cognitive dissonance as well while you are at it. Also consider how unconscious bias might impact this based on your perception of reality.
There is no requirement for education to become a project manager, so how does one inflate something that isn’t required? Why do you “assume” that stating you’ve taken a course for project management is an inflation of the facts? Why do you “assume” this statement is don’t with ill intentions? Do I need to explain more or have you figured out your bias yet?
DeleteThe Project Management Professional (PMP) is a globally recognized certification from the Project Management Institute (PMI) that validates a project manager's ability to lead and direct projects, managing people, processes, and business priorities. It's a widely respected credential, signifying that a candidate possesses the experience, education, and competency to effectively manage projects across various industries.
DeleteAgain, Fact checking is recommended.
The PMP (Project Management Professional) certification is a globally recognized credential for project managers, including in Canada. To become PMP certified in Canada, you need to meet specific eligibility requirements set by the Project Management Institute (PMI).
DeleteEligibility Requirements:
Educational Background: You need either a secondary degree (high school diploma, associate's degree, or equivalent) with five years of project management experience (including 7,500 hours leading projects) or a four-year degree (bachelor's degree or equivalent) with three years of project management experience (including 4,500 hours leading projects).
Project Management Education: You'll need 35 hours of project management education.
Project Management Experience: The experience requirements vary based on your educational background, as outlined above
Again you are “assuming” I don’t know what a PMP is or how to get the designation, seems to be a common trend. You’ll notice that I never wrote there’s no such thing as a pmp but rather there’s no requirement for education to become a project manager. This just proves my point that you’re making assumptions and not fully understanding the conversation because of your cognitive bias.
DeleteEducational Background: You need either a secondary degree (high school diploma, associate's degree, or equivalent) with five years of project management experience (including 7,500 hours leading projects) or a four-year degree (bachelor's degree or equivalent) with three years of project management experience (including 4,500 hours leading projects).
DeleteProject Management Education: You'll need 35 hours of project management education.
Project Management Experience: The experience requirements vary based on your educational background, as outlined above
No assumptions here just facts.
Correct me if I’m wrong but did you just pull this information from a random job posting online? If so, what do you think that proves?
DeleteCheck the 2 day course outline it states 7 PDU (professional development units) hours towards the PMI requirement for project management certification.
DeleteFundamentals of Project Management 2 day course from the Gardiner Institute….. just in case your are confused about the course I am referring to.
DeleteI am not confused at all. There are no educational requirements to become a project manager. Are there course ls to help, yes, are they required, no. Being a PM is not like being a Nurse, being a nurse has legislative requirements. No such thing exist for a project manager.
DeleteFrom a non member , I don’t care about the project manager so much as the falsely sayings she is completing a masters of science when this course does not exist, is everyone missing the point here? The woman LIED to the residents of this town about what she as doing with regards to schooling. I don’t care if she couldn’t finish her course and she was doing prerequisites, I care that my money is paying for someone who lied to me and everyone else in NWV and my money goes towards paying her salary, ffs show your enrolment letter to the course you said you were doing and let this fuckin die! If you were enrolled prove it and it you were not explain the towns fb post! It’s that easy, you guys have got it beat to death here.
DeleteWhen did the CAO say they were completing a Msc? And yes, we understand that terminology exists inside the old newsletter. You have to assume this was written with ill intent instead of a mistake. Why not the latter?
DeleteSounds like moral degradation in our council, which refers to the weakening or deterioration of ethical standards, values, and social norms within a society. It can manifest as a breakdown of trust, a decline in empathy, a disregard for honesty, and a lack of accountability.
DeleteAll terrible events in history, such as slavery, WWII, oppression of gender, the sixty’s swoop, just to name a few, can be linked to groups or individuals being in a position of power who lacked honesty, integrity and accountability.
It's important to approach such statements with a nuanced perspective. While moral degradation can indeed contribute to societal issues, it's not the sole factor behind historical events. Here are some points to consider:
Delete1. Complex Causes: Historical events like slavery, WWII, and gender oppression are influenced by a multitude of factors, including economic conditions, political ideologies, cultural contexts, and technological advancements. Reducing these events to a single cause oversimplifies their complexity.
2. Human Nature: Ethical standards and values can vary greatly across different cultures and time periods. What might be considered moral degradation in one context could be seen differently in another. Human behavior is influenced by a range of motivations, not just a lack of integrity or accountability.
3. Positive Change: Despite instances of moral degradation, societies have also shown remarkable resilience and capacity for positive change. Movements for civil rights, gender equality, and peace have emerged from periods of turmoil, driven by individuals and groups committed to ethical principles.
4. Accountability: While it's true that power can corrupt, there are also many examples of leaders and institutions that have upheld high ethical standards and contributed positively to society. Accountability mechanisms, such as democratic processes and legal systems, play a crucial role in maintaining ethical governance.
Yes sometime you got to make things uncomfortable for people before change can occur.
DeleteA misprint on LinkedIn as well I guess.
DeleteShare the link to the Linkedin credentials.
DeleteIt is a very complex issue for sure. Not intending to try and simplify anything. I also would not want to over complicate things here either.
DeleteA lie is an untrue or inaccurate statement either spoken or written.
Here is how I see this situation…. A false statement was published on the town FB page regarding the CAOs credentials. A lie.
Which has been proven by facts provided in this blogs comments.
Who wrote it? Don’t know
Who is responsible for the accuracy of information shared? Council and staff.
Who should be held accountable for it? Council and staff
Failing to recognize this, and causing such a stir on FB to garner sympathy for the CAO is not acknowledging or dealing with this issue. Why is such a production required? Why overdramatize the whole situation?
Simply address the issue, explain the cause and accept accountability for this whether it be a mistake, a typo or an attempt to inflate credentials.
As a public elected body that is the right thing to do.
Again, someone is adding their opinion to a topic as fact, all I see is circumstantial happenstance until proven otherwise.
DeleteStruck a nerve did we?? This silly group will blow over faster than Covid.
ReplyDeleteCertainly hope not ! This group has opened up my eyes to the coming and goings of our elected officials, I'm puzzled to why the hiring committee failed to do their due diligence, or were the taxpayers paying for courses of interim to complete so to be successful candidate in obtaining the permanent position
DeleteJust wondering, were there any other applicants or interviews for the CAO position?
ReplyDeleteAt least one more that I know of.
DeleteAny insight regarding the qualifications this person might have? What is their experience and qualifications? Can you share that if you know please?
DeleteYup. Couple real degrees as well as extensive experience with government programs.
DeleteCan we just stop with all this shit and get to the point, prove there is no lie and get over it already. Why does this all have to continue. 🤯
ReplyDeleteI assume if there were anything that could be shared to validate what is being said in the town post shared above, it would have already been shared.
DeleteThat said, it will be interesting to see if our council actually addresses this issue or just pushes it under the rug. You would think they would be very concerned about false information being shared with the public from the town Facebook page. It certainly does not encourage residents to trust information that they are providing.
Dismantle this childish group and problem solved. The group is losing steam anyways, everybody in town talking about how childish it is.
ReplyDeleteSo in response to your remark about a childish group I would like to inform you that the group contains some well educated individuals. And the some of the community thinking this is childish is why so of us choose to be anonymous
DeleteDismantle the group? LOL 😂
DeleteTypical narcissistic response ….. first deny and play the poor me card, then try and twist the truth to manipulate information hoping to disguise the lie and finally try and end the conversation to hide the lie.
Give up already. The lie has been exposed
Check out the other posts on this blog to see more questionable information shared by our CAO as well.
DeleteLots of questions….. yet, unfortunately no answers or clarification provided from council.
And another question. This is for the co founders. You’re part of this concerned NWV group to try and make this place better a safer correct? You’re contacting the RCMP because of speed in Templeman, and I believe that’s what you should be doing. But here is my question. Your friend/cousin that you drink with on a regular basis is known to be driving around town impaired on a regular basis, it’s not speculation either. When you smell alcohol or see this person driving away impaired, are you concerned about him hitting or killing somebody while impaired? Do you call the Police on him? Serious question if you’re all about protecting the citizens of NWV
ReplyDeleteI hope you called the police. It’s your responsibility as well. That person should not be on the road.
DeleteI am a member of this group and would call on anyone who I suspect of impaired driving. Brother Sister Mother Father Friend or stranger no exceptions.
DeleteHere we go again trying deflect attention away from what’s really going on here…good move! Nobody wont pick up on that tactic at all.
DeleteNot deflecting anything. It’s a concern comment in a concerned citizens of NWV group. What’s wrong with that? You might need to consider changing the group name
DeleteThe roads through that community are provincial. The police are hired by the province and it is certainly everyone's responsibility to report such behaviour.
DeleteNice Response, we can agree on that I guess.
ReplyDeleteThis is wonderful that we have a group of concerned citizens that are willing to stand up for what they believe.
ReplyDeleteDon't let anyone let you think that you di not have support. More than you know.
This group has opened the eyes of many. Thank you
DeleteThe same - on all accounts.
DeleteWhile the Concerned Citizens Group aims to address important issues within the community, there are several ways in which your approach might be negatively affecting the town's perception:
ReplyDeleteTone and Approach:
The group's tone can sometimes come across as overly critical or confrontational. This can create an atmosphere of hostility rather than constructive dialogue.
A more collaborative and solution-focused approach could foster better relationships with the council and other residents.
Accuracy of Information:
Ensuring that all claims and concerns are backed by verified information is crucial. Spreading unverified or exaggerated claims can lead to misinformation and unnecessary panic.
The group could benefit from a more rigorous fact-checking process before making public statements.
Community Division:
The group's activities have sometimes led to a polarized community, with strong opinions on both sides. This division can hinder collective efforts to improve the town.
Promoting unity and encouraging diverse viewpoints in a respectful manner could help bridge gaps within the community.
Public Perception:
The negative tone and confrontational style can give outsiders the impression that the town is fraught with conflict and mismanagement.
Highlighting positive developments and successes alongside concerns can provide a more balanced view of the town.
Constructive Feedback:
Offering constructive feedback and practical solutions rather than just criticism can be more effective in bringing about change.
Engaging in open dialogues with the council and other stakeholders can lead to more productive outcomes.
By adopting a more balanced, respectful, and solution-oriented approach, the Concerned Citizens Group can continue to play a vital role in the community while also positively influencing the town's perception.